When did the law change about pellet guns. Pellet guns are legal for hunting in CA. or does the new law declassify then hunting use?
Additionally, is there anyone mounting a court challenge against the requirement of lead free ammo state wide? What proof was presented that showed that lead bullets used in hunting are responsible for the high lead levels in Condors? The original premise of the 5 year ban was that both varmints and game animals shot with lead containing projectiles were being lost in the field. Condors are carrion eaters and were getting poisoned from ingesting lead from the carcasses on which they fed,
Well, there were certainly no edible lead containing carcasses after a year. But that original ban continued for 4 more years. The anti-hunting condor studying scientists claimed that the lead blood levels had not dropped and pushed for a state wide ban. Even though the Condors have a very limited territory, the hunters had to be responsible.
If lead levels actually had not changed in 5 years of the led ban, it is much less than likely that hunters lead bullets are related in any way to the claimed led levels.
Let me point out that there have been several incidents in CA where endangered species researchers have falsified findings by moving endangered flora and fauna into areas where none of the endangered species existed. Then claiming a find that indicates that this additional area must also be classified as as off limits to human intrusion for any use!
Has there been ANY independent research to verify the claims of the vested ""environmentalists"" are valid? The facts of the lack of results from the previous 5 year lead ban flies in the face of a state wide expansion of the banning of lead containing shooting projectiles.
Another point that appears to not being properly included is that California is a highly mineralized state. Not only are minerals like gold and copper found widely but lead is a significant part of the environment. The lead is naturally occurring and so heavily concentrated in many areas that it is recommended that fish from many streams and reservoirs there not be eaten. In those lakes, streams, and reservoirs the naturally occurring lead forms organic compounds in the sediments which can be ingested by all kinds of aquatic life, including fish, snakes, frogs, and insects.
This leads me to the logical thought that Condors may be eating contaminated fish and other aquatic animals that die naturally. Carrion eaters clean up everything and considering the relatively short hunting season with small likelihood of a significant number lead bullet shot game or varmint animals being left in the wild to feed a large numbers of Condors.
One last point, elemental lead, meaning the chunks of lead metal, like a bullet or a fishing sinker are not very reactive in the bodies of humans or animals. Pieces of lead are not very reactive in stomach acids and virtually no compounds are created that then enter the circulatory system or ""lodge"" in organs. This is because of the short period of time, a mater of hours to a day or two before the chunk of lead passes out of the body.
This points again to the more reasonable expectation that the forming of organic compounds and dissolving that would take place with natural lead and its ores constantly present in these water sources, providing a continuous year round, year after year contaminate food source for the carrion eaters. Not an occasional hunter shot animal carcass.
7 years ago
California's lead ammo ban in effect July 1When did the law change about pellet guns. Pellet guns are legal for hunting in CA. or does the new law declassify then hunting use?
Additionally, is there anyone mounting a court challenge against the requirement of lead free ammo state wide? What proof was presented that showed that lead bullets used in hunting are responsible for the high lead levels in Condors? The original premise of the 5 year ban was that both varmints and game animals shot with lead containing projectiles were being lost in the field. Condors are carrion eaters and were getting poisoned from ingesting lead from the carcasses on which they fed,
Well, there were certainly no edible lead containing carcasses after a year. But that original ban continued for 4 more years. The anti-hunting condor studying scientists claimed that the lead blood levels had not dropped and pushed for a state wide ban. Even though the Condors have a very limited territory, the hunters had to be responsible.
If lead levels actually had not changed in 5 years of the led ban, it is much less than likely that hunters lead bullets are related in any way to the claimed led levels.
Let me point out that there have been several incidents in CA where endangered species researchers have falsified findings by moving endangered flora and fauna into areas where none of the endangered species existed. Then claiming a find that indicates that this additional area must also be classified as as off limits to human intrusion for any use!
Has there been ANY independent research to verify the claims of the vested ""environmentalists"" are valid? The facts of the lack of results from the previous 5 year lead ban flies in the face of a state wide expansion of the banning of lead containing shooting projectiles.
Another point that appears to not being properly included is that California is a highly mineralized state. Not only are minerals like gold and copper found widely but lead is a significant part of the environment. The lead is naturally occurring and so heavily concentrated in many areas that it is recommended that fish from many streams and reservoirs there not be eaten. In those lakes, streams, and reservoirs the naturally occurring lead forms organic compounds in the sediments which can be ingested by all kinds of aquatic life, including fish, snakes, frogs, and insects.
This leads me to the logical thought that Condors may be eating contaminated fish and other aquatic animals that die naturally. Carrion eaters clean up everything and considering the relatively short hunting season with small likelihood of a significant number lead bullet shot game or varmint animals being left in the wild to feed a large numbers of Condors.
One last point, elemental lead, meaning the chunks of lead metal, like a bullet or a fishing sinker are not very reactive in the bodies of humans or animals. Pieces of lead are not very reactive in stomach acids and virtually no compounds are created that then enter the circulatory system or ""lodge"" in organs. This is because of the short period of time, a mater of hours to a day or two before the chunk of lead passes out of the body.
This points again to the more reasonable expectation that the forming of organic compounds and dissolving that would take place with natural lead and its ores constantly present in these water sources, providing a continuous year round, year after year contaminate food source for the carrion eaters. Not an occasional hunter shot animal carcass.