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MOA — Custom Rifles vs Line Production Rifles

Can line production rifles stack up to the accuracy of custom guns? What does the extra money actually get you? This film dives into the facts.


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Vance W. - posted 1 year ago on 07-02-2018 04:29:48 pm
Anthem AZ

I should have said it in my first post but this was a very well done video. I like the second installment very much as well. I have chatted with Aaron some at SCI over the years and really respect his mechanical engineering and shooting knowledge.

That said, I thought about this after I post previously. I think a much bigger distinction would have been drawn if you would have been experimenting with what I consider more typical mass produced rifles ie. $300-$1000 range off the shelf. A $1500-$2000 rifle is not in the normal range for most buyers and is approaching semi-custom rifle cost levels. I have seen the performance on many rifles in the $300-$1000 range and without a lot of reloading effort and usually some trigger or bedding work they will not come close to being more than 300-400 yard rifles. Even my son's $1200 Sako is really only about a 600 yard rifle and they make some of the best mass produced barrels in the world. Ok I'm done ;-) Keep up the good work.

Vance W. - posted 1 year ago on 07-02-2018 01:13:24 pm
Anthem AZ

I would echo Chet's statement. My custom rifles and even rifles that started as factory but had barrels/stock/triggers etc. replaced shoot quality factory ammo better than needed for 95% of hunting conditions. I think along with the more assured accuracy a custom or semi custom gives the shooter a chance to fine tune the choices of stock, trigger, barrel profile, over all gun weight etc. to fit the target use of the firearm. So, you are also paying for the opportunity to make something uniquely yours.

Chet K. - posted 1 year ago on 06-07-2018 07:16:55 am

Good video, but I take issue with one major assumption; that custom rifles require "custom ammunition". None of my custom rifles require custom ammunition. They all perform exceptionally well with quality factory produced/over-the-counter ammo. I'd even argue that quality ammo is more important in production rifles than in custom rifles.

Also, my confidence in custom rifles stems from the fact that they are generally guaranteed by the manufacturer to shoot .5 MOA, .75 MOA, sub-MOA or whatever the case may be. In my experience, factory/production rifle manufacturers generally do not offer such a guarantee (some of them do so for their higher end rifles). Sure, it is possible for a production rifle to shoot sub-MOA, but I have increased confidence in a company that guarantees it will do so. I just looked at the webpage for the Browning X-Bolt Pro Long Range and I didn't see anything related to an accuracy or sub-MOA guarantee. If it is so guaranteed, Browning should promote that fact and if its not, I think they should step up to the plate.

Todd B. - posted 2 years ago on 02-19-2017 07:51:39 am

So i am no expert but can see a good scientific experiment when i see it. That was pretty cool. I have never taken a deer hunting shot over 250 only cause i don't think i could hit it. What is the sub-MOA on a early 80's Winchester Model 70 XLT? is there a reference guide somewhere to find out. Being a part time golfer pretty sure it isn't the club that doesn't get it done as much as how you ended the video with it really being the guy that pulls the trigger. Thank you Lorenzo for having the guts to start a really cool support tool. Im on it every day uncovering where i can go hunt without being with a bunch of people. You have given us some hope. Thank you!

jamie k. - posted 3 years ago on 01-01-2017 09:48:59 am

Great video

TREVOR H. - posted 3 years ago on 12-30-2016 01:59:39 pm


Marquis W. - posted 3 years ago on 12-29-2016 10:27:02 pm

Browning is all I own

Damon and Dina S. - posted 3 years ago on 11-06-2016 07:26:35 pm
Round Mountain, Nv

So, I'd love to chime in my 2 cents on this. I thought it was an awesome video, but I had a particular interest in the video as I was one of the very lucky recipients of the April giveaway, which happened to be the Browning xbolt in the 26 Nosler. For starters, the rifle shoots flawlessly and man-handles 1000yds. Sub .5" moa at 100 and 1" at 250yds. It's topped with a vortex razor which has been remarkable so far, and I'm shooting factory loads at this point. I also shoot a Cooper Arms 30-06 as my go to gun, which is very capable of sub 1/4" moa at 100yds. Basically each bullet passes through the first hole, as shown on the card that came with the gun. Both guns perform as advertised or better, both topped with top end optics. I am shooting hand loads through the Cooper, so that's a bit of an edge as well. But as far as grouping goes, the Cooper is leading the way....

Brandon W. - posted 3 years ago on 08-29-2016 01:21:46 pm

Very good video, well done!

Kenny K. - posted 3 years ago on 08-23-2016 11:59:45 pm
Las Vegas, NV

That is surprisingly impressive. I own a Browning A-Bolt .300 Win Mag that I bought about 8 Years ago. After several years and 3 scopes, the best grouping I could get at 100 yds. was 1.5" and at 200 yds., the best was just over 2.5" Two years ago I purchased a Cooper Arms .300 Win Mag. Shooting the same Barnes 165g TSX through both rifles, with the Cooper Arms, I consistently shoot .5" groupings at 100 yds. and sub 1" grouping at 200 yds.
That first season, with the Cooper Arms, I shot a nice antelope buck at 500 yds. with one shot. Then last year a 320 bull at 500 yds., also with one shot. I would not feel ethically comfortable shooting my Browning at an animal that distance..
Now I'm not saying that Browning is a bad rifle because I still bring it as my back-up. Though I do believe in this case, there is a significant difference in both quality and consistency between an $800-$900 rifle and a $2,500 - $3,000 rifle.

Robert S. - posted 3 years ago on 08-23-2016 07:58:53 am
Las Vegas, NV

Nice work on the video! I hunt archery and rifle seasons. This year I wanted a new challenge and have focused my five hunts/tags on shooting "longer range" out beyond my comfort zone of 250-350 yards. It's a bit of a bottomless rabbit hole to build my skills and confidence. Long range to me this season will be stretching out to 450-500'ish yards. Today's production guns are leaps and bounds ahead of the production guns of twenty years ago; not like my dad's old 30-06. I had a 7mm Rem Mag built up by Proof Research this year. Out of the box it was shooting 1/4 MOA groups at 100. On the other hand it cost 6x-7x more than these nice Brownings. Most important to me is practicing several times a week in a variety of positions over and over to build my skills. I also just came back from four days of training at the Gunwerks school in Cody, WY. We shot out to 1000 there every day (using factory Hornady ammo BTW) and despite a nice certificate that says I can do it, there's no way I'm ready to take a 1000 yard shot at an animal even with no wind in a perfect setting. Herein lies the problem that most outfitters and others are reluctant to embrace long range hunting; they've seen too many hunters come out with expensive 1000 yard rifles and scopes but little to no practice with them. They've seen too many injured animals and wasted stalks.
We are fortunate to have some great ranges here in Las Vegas. If you guys want to come out I can gather up some friends and a nice collection of custom rifles for a comparison review and test. Hit me up!
Well done!

Brady J. Miller
Brady M. - posted 3 years ago on 08-19-2016 12:45:53 pm
Las Vegas, NV
goHUNT Team

Thank you Lance and Tavis. Wishing you both the best this year.

Tavis R. - posted 3 years ago on 08-19-2016 09:58:07 am
Oak Creek, Colorado

Great video!

Lance B. - posted 3 years ago on 08-18-2016 01:36:46 pm

Very well done video.

Brady J. Miller
Brady M. - posted 3 years ago on 08-18-2016 11:36:13 am
Las Vegas, NV
goHUNT Team

Thanks for checking out the video, Lance. Well said! It's amazing the amount of accuracy we can get from rifles and ammo these days. Best of luck to you this season. Can't wait to hear how your hunts go.

Lance V. - posted 3 years ago on 08-18-2016 06:35:04 am
Coeur D Alene, ID

Good video. I have a Browning BAR Safari in .300 Win Mag that will print .75 MOA groups consistently with over the counter ammo. The gun shoots great but it's hard for people to consider a semi-auto rifle for accuracy. Everyone seems to think you need bolt action for sub-MOA accuracy.