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Montana bill to make bighorn sheep, moose, mountain goat once in a lifetime licenses -
posted 2 weeks ago
@ Jim K.
I served in the Navy about 22 years ago with a kid from Missouri that had killed a bighorn sheep in Wyoming without drawing a tag. He had a school mate or cousin or something that had drawn a tag, and the two fathers decided that the tag would be filled no matter what. So (going from memory here) they get a few days into the hunt, and kill a big ram. Except it wasn't the kid that drew the tag, it was his friend (my airman recruit) that shot it. The kid had killed exactly one animal in his entire life, and it was this bighorn sheep, as a non-resident party hunted, and totally illegal.
The fury of not eating tag soup is pretty rough on an out of state bighorn tag.
I think the as you said, premier species tags get filled, but it is common place for the tag to not be filled by the hunter legally holding the license.
For me it is grey area poaching. Party hunting is legal in many non-western states.
It would also be a tough call for a game warden to want to make. You have a under age minor who poached a ram, or the father of a under age minor who shot it for them. Either way the kid is going to be tainted as a hunter, and probably never hunt again.
So knocking kids out of the pool, eliminates the chances that it can happen.
No one wants to eat tag soup on a sheep.
I grew up in Wyoming and Montana. We were lower middle class, and I don't remember a single year where we had the money for Dad and I to apply for anything beyond antelope, elk and deer were bought over the counter.
Here in 2019, I am 44, and I have a 7 year old warrior princess who is aching to hunt. I have a skosh more money than my parents did in 1991, but it is a major expense to fund non-resident tags for your kid. Next year we will be applying for all species in New Mexico as residents. That in itself is $1200.
Then you have the problem of someone who draws a tag being able to physically get into the area and take the animal. Or have the finances to be outfitted.
How often does a minor draw a tag and not even do the hunt?
it might seem like this is a dig at hunter recruitment, but they should have published the data of how many tags they gave out to under 18 year olds and how many of those under 18 year olds actually hunted.
While I am ranting I think preference points and the draws really need an update.
Here is my plan.
20% of all tags go to those with preference points in a lottery system. 10 points equals chances. 2nd group to draw
30% of tags go to max point holders. 1st group to draw
48% of all tags go to everyone else, points don't matter. This is the third group to draw.
1% of the tags are raffled off
1% of the tags are sold at auction
An application or point cost $50 per species for sheep, goat, moose, bison and grizz. No refunds.
Non resident application cost is $100 per species no refunds.
I wish there was a way to prevent a person from putting their spouse in for a tag, and then shooting their spouses's animal for them.
Was standard operating procedure on antelope and deer as a kid. I know Wyoming G&F busted an 80 year old grandma about 5 or 10 years ago for it.
The wife of a friend of mine drew a sheep tag in New Mexico, and she wounded and lost the ram. He had pressured her into it, and then that happened.
My father has drawn multiples of moose (I think 3 or 4), no goats, and no sheep in Wyoming, and nothing in Montana. He has been a resident one state or the other for most of his life.
I personally like the no tags until 18 rule.
I have heard of of several "hunters" that drew out of state sheep, goat, moose, or other tags on their kids name and shot big game while their kids looked on.
I wonder if they do this if they will make it retroactive?
Kristen A. Schmitt