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Social media, modern technology, and the commercialization of our wildlife


Social media modern technology and the commercialization of our wildlife
The slow shredding of our wildlife?

It’s no complicated fact that without social media much of our hunting community or companionship wouldn’t be where it is at today. Heck, without social media 90% of you would likely have never even been exposed to this article. No matter what your own personal participation level is, it is undeniable that social media is here to stay. While the use of social media platforms can be a great way to share our adventures with loved ones and friends, it can also be a feeding ground for anti-hunting organizations. Self-policing on our own personal level is a given, but what about when a business or organization begins pushing ideas that paint hunters in a negative light?

If you’ve spent any time on social media in the past month you may have seen the latest “insta-scandal” of companies now using phone apps to sell the location of trophy animals on public land. If not, here’s a basic rundown: Within these phone apps anyone who locates an animal, sign of an animal, or otherwise any indicator that a trophy animal may be present in an area can actually sell the GPS coordinates of the location to other users! What's more, it’s impossible to police this information, which leaves the opportunity for purchasers to be strung into a wild goose chase as they search for their next “wall hanger.” I'm sure I’m not alone in saying that this is incredibly alarming, infuriating, and downright wrong on many levels.

Your wildlife for sale

While the legality of these apps is even questionable to begin with it’s hard to stomach that anyone would be willing to give up any hard-won information and/or be so caught up in the killing of an animal that they would bypass the actual hunt in favor of swiping a card and punching a tag. It’s sickening, really.

The bottom line here is that anyone using this app is profiting off something that is a public resource and domain. That is to say, these profits are leveraged off of animals that are publicly owned by each and every citizen of the US! I know some of you will likely toss out the guides’ and outfitters’ arguments here, but it is important to remember that outfitters and guides pay their dues through licensing and permits to the states—not to mention the money they bring into local communities. At the other end of the spectrum, the creators of these apps are merely making a quick buck while not bringing anything to the table for the benefit of the wildlife and land. They are stealing from you, from your kids, and from your wallet.

The biggest gray area here is the exchange of money for information potentially leading to an animal being shot. This has gone on for years with finders fees made common in governor’s and auction tags. I have my opinions on the subject, but feel those should best be sorted through for yourself.

Wyoming taking a stand

Wyoming prohibiting sale of wildlife locations

Wyoming has recently taken a stand against this with House Bill No. HB0005 Sale of wildlife information-prohibition that was pushed the 2018 Budge Session. According to The Sheridan Press, Wyoming Game and Fish Department chief game warden Brian Nesvik said the issue arose because individuals locate trophy class animals, taken photos of them, collected their GPS locations and sold the locations to scouting services, which also provide additional services to help hunters find the animals during hunting season. Back in 2016 Wyoming also banned the use of aerial scouting during the hunting season.

According to the bill:

"No person shall advertise or provide to a hunter for remuneration the location and identification information of any previously scouted big or trophy game animal for the purpose of aiding the hunter in the taking of that specific previously scouted big or trophy game animal. For purposes of this subsection, "location and identification information" means: (i) The geographical coordinates of the location of the animal or any maps, drawings, illustrations or other documents which show the location of the animal; and (ii) Photographs, drawings, descriptions or other information which identify the animal."

Killing the experience

Watching my daughter, who is now just over a year old, grow up in this world has been nothing short of spectacular. While I have to keep reminding myself to slow down and enjoy what we have now, I’d be lying if I wasn’t secretly waiting for her to turn 10 so she can participate in Montana’s mentored hunting program. I want her to come to love, appreciate, and embrace the hard work and dedication that comes with chasing animals on public lands and consistently filling tags. Apps like these seek only to cheapen the experience that is the hunt and cater to this new world where instant satisfaction is the motto of the day. This is not the hunting that I want my daughter to know. In fact, this is not hunting at all.

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It kills me to think that anyone can stumble into a mature animal and sell its location while effectively robbing someone the opportunity to earn that animal through sweat equity and a pack out that is carried out well after the sun has gone down. While my style of hunting may not be favored by everyone, I do feel that animals of a given maturity level deserve a certain level of physical and/or mental commitment before a shot should be presented. The bottomline is this: It’s not my prerogative to decipher what hunting means to anyone, but I would wager to bet that the majority of you reading this would have no qualms with concluding that purchasing an animal’s locations is far from it.

Fair chase or not?

Here is another one of the gray area arguments. When it comes to fair chase, where do we draw the line? In an environment where tools such as Google Earth, trail cameras, and even research tools, where do we draw the line when discussing fair chase? Obviously, this is a subject that is up to individual interpretation, but here is how I see it: I see nothing wrong with using available published data, aerial imagery, or following a hot lead when it comes to researching a hunt. Heck, there’s a reason why I shoot a compound bow over traditional gear. In this modern era, I can choose to hunt as primitive or as tech savvy as I want with the limit falling comfortably into the lap of my consciousness.

Screenshot from social media page comment against selling wildlife

Scouring harvest data or buck to doe ratios has never told me where animals inhabit a unit. Sure, combining that information with wildlife studies and aerial maps can narrow down good deer and elk habitat, but all of these areas still need to be ground verified. After finding a few good looking spots, I still have to hike into my favorite high country basins to glass or set trail cameras before learning a mature bull is in the area. I could save an awful lot of gas and time away from my family if I just purchased the location of a buck or bull the night before a hunt, but at what cost? I did absolutely nothing to earn that animal.

Public perception

Perhaps the greatest issue I see with the apps is the public image they are creating for hunters. Think back to any anti-hunting posts where a hunter is at the center of attention. Common words you’ll run across will range from “murderer” to “psychopath” as well as a whole slew of other obscenities. It’s as important now as it ever has been to promote a positive image of hunters and how this lifestyle is so much more than simply killing animals. To put it into perspective, put yourself in the shoes of anyone in the non-hunting public and imagine how you might feel when you see hunters putting a price on an animal's head and selling it to the highest bidder. It makes it pretty easy to see why some have the strong opinions that they do.

Screenshot from social media page against selling wildlife

For the most part, this is where hunting has arrived. Social media has driven the desire to kill a trophy to such an extent that people are willing to sell and buy animals in hopes that it leads to hashtag stardom. This is a pathetic fact and something that is quickly leading us down a road of irreversible damage. It’s time for a change. Fortunately, judging by a few of these companies Facebook pages, it’s fairly apparent that the hunting community has come together in force and let its voices be heard that the commercialization of our wildlife will not be tolerated.

Coming together for the greater good

If you haven’t figured it out yet I hold a lot of merit in the power of social media and truly believe that it will ultimately go down in history as one of the biggest proponents or opponents for our future. This fact was never more apparent than after Utah Congressman Jason Chaffetz introduced a bill that called for the disposal of 3.3 million acres of federal land across 10 western states. H.R. 621, as it was called, was withdrawn after just over a week after hunters across the country united under the hashtag #KeepItPublic and definitely stood up against the loss of protection for our public lands. If we can accomplish something as profound as that in a week we are capable of much more.

While I’m not saying we need to stage a protest because I haven’t drawn my bighorn sheep tag yet (I won't argue if you want to), we need to realize that while hunters occupy less than 10% of the total population of the United States, social media can serve as a megaphone. What we post on social media everyday will be open to interpretation by people from all walks of life. We need to think of ourselves as stewards of the sport and act accordingly. At the end of the day, we all need to learn to come together and fight for the greater good. Spreading positivity among our community and through the non-hunting public should be held in the highest regards.

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Brady B. - posted 1 year ago on 08-13-2018 08:36:31 pm

Below is a repost of comments I read from Hunter H. on another thread about guides. The original author (a guide) commented back to Hunter H. saying he is just jealous and complaining of guides successes. Now here the guides are complaining here about someone undermining their livelihood. With the angle that its "not hunting". I agree with Hunter H.... Guides have become the problem. The technology of social media is the tool:

Hunter H. - previous post on Guides vs. DIY
Your article misses the real issue that most people have against hunting guides. Its not about if 'Guides are good or bad guys' or DIY are either too. My friends in Arizona frown on guides because they effect us (DIY hunters) in a negative way. The issue is about an extremely limited resource (180"+ class bucks) that are being prostituted heavily for money and ego (ego drives the social media phenom). A test case would be to remove the big money and see if hunting guides would fade away.
Here in Arizona, we see the impact of guides greater than most states. Arizona's famous big mule deer bucks are located in a small percentage of the state north of the grand canyon. In comparison to other states, the area is much flatter and easy to hunt. In Utah/Colorado and others you can find big bucks in all parts of the state. Not so in AZ. Guides have saturated our 'much smaller areas' (in strip and a few elk units) with hundreds of paid helpers and trail cams.
The pressure on the monster muleys has become excessive in recent times. Making it harder and less fun for the DIY guys (majority of hunters) to locate a 190+ buck. Simi-local guides with very local helpers live on-top of the deer year round. They are like the paparazzi taking thousands of pics and giving them names.
The bigger bucks can't stand this pressure forever and the hunt "Experience" is worse now than ever. I've seen many Guides guard water like its a gold mine. Its TRUE. The catalyst has been the online world that can stoked a flame. There's a hire-a-guide frenzy that we see now with internet/social media. If you draw a coveted elk/deer tag in AZ, people will say that you better hire a guide as if your hunt and life depended on it.
We applaud the tag holders who made a decision to earn their buck no-matter the outcome. Not thinking 100% success on a 200" buck was something to be purchased, but rather earned. Res & non-res hunters who woke up on their own without a guide slapping the tent door. Hunters who made their own breakfast. Who jumped into the driver seat of the truck, not the backseat... and who set out to do something significant each day...and left the outcome to GOD. We in AZ applaud you and respect you for your effort. Its 'YOUR' hunting storied we want to hear.
This message is mostly meant for those who pay someone else to do their hunting for them (not counting anyone with physical needs). For the rest of us there is an assumed 'effort' required of earning the title of "hunter". A rarely spoken truth is how friends and associates will examine your 'hunt effort' and decide to respect you as a hunter, or not. A lot of heads on a wall are meaningless if someone else hunted them for you. Its a respect thing that dad, granddad and great granddad understood. On a guided hunt, you're the guy who 'pulled the trigger' at best and that's how people (and guides) will think of you. Go DIY next time. The inner you will thank you.

Jeremy W. - posted 2 years ago on 01-14-2018 09:26:13 am
Perry, Georgia
John W. - posted 2 years ago on 01-02-2018 03:32:21 pm
Pittsburgh, PA

Really good article..."It kills me to think that anyone can stumble into a mature animal and sell its location while effectively robbing someone the opportunity to earn that animal through sweat equity and a pack out that is carried out well after the sun has gone down" this hits home with me as well. I understand the argument for folks that do not have the time to scout, and how its essentially the same as using a guide, but for some reason I can't get on board with people selling the location of an animal. Part of the fun is spending the time researching areas and then putting boots on the ground and actually scouting.

Dave B. - posted 2 years ago on 01-02-2018 03:12:16 pm
Lolo, Montana

@Jeremy W- It's obvious that goHUNT does aide in the search for your next unit. Still, it takes legwork(no pun intended) to check into your selected area to ground verify. Things change constantly and animals react much faster than humans. Ive had on several occasions instances where I've elk hunted areas that have held screaming bulls and hot cows only to find them empty and devoid a day later.

I guess the main point I'm arriving at is that goHUNT isn't telling you where any one specific animal is located, unlike the apps. The old saying of "90% of the animals reside in 10% of the unit" comes to mind. Just because you researched and found the "best" unit in the state doesn't mean you'll punch a tag.

I do agree with you that this app will die. Reading the comment section on one particular companies Facebook page was amusing to say the least.

Dave B. - posted 2 years ago on 01-02-2018 02:52:41 pm
Lolo, Montana

@Mark L- You keep referring to these live feed satellites though that technology, if it does exist, is not accessible by any hunting citizen. To continue bringing that up brings us to the proverbial beating of a dead horse. But I digress, I do agree with you that if hunters are not careful with technological advancements it could spell the end of hunting. We are in an era where we will never gain any hunting rights, that is a given. Merely, we need to go into self preservation mode and plug the wounds we have now. We only stand to lose rights.

The biggest commonality when it comes to this subject is individual interpretation. Without sounding holier than thou, I do think my way of hunting is better than most(as we all should) and there are types of hunters I look down on. That being said, they are still hunters and we are one. However, I do feel it necessary for some to realize that anti hunters and organizations control our future and sometimes our greatest enemy is the guy standing next to you wearing camo and yelling expletives. Hunters are on a huge platform and how we present ourselves now can have a profound affect on generations to come.

Jeremy W. - posted 2 years ago on 01-02-2018 02:42:30 pm
Perry, Georgia

@David B I thought over your comments about my post. So its completely ok that gohunt takes the leg work out of finding the best areas to apply for? This is a business and seems to be a good one. This site offers great knowledge to the every day hunter who just doesn't has the time to put in the leg work. Every hunter has the same opportunity to find this information that is public. Just the same as any hunter has the opportunity to find that 200" mule deer. However tech is happening and will continue to happen. I myself own a start up tech business that will make life easier for hunter and outfitters. We all want instantaneous information to make life easier. I do not agree with selling gps locations but where is the line? Do we take away trail cameras, spotting scopes, 1,000 yard rifles? I personally think this app will fail over time just for the fact that those older mature animals are smart and do not stick around or they turn nocturnal where hunters cant find them. Once people get tired of spending money on locations that don't pan out then it will bust.

Mark L. - posted 2 years ago on 01-02-2018 01:10:59 pm

Some good, thoughtful responses. I agree with a lot of what you're saying, and I guarantee we're mostly on the same side of the tech issue. My main point is very shortly we'll be able to see the exact location of any bull in the field. Buying coordinates? That will be valid for about a second. I do, however, strongly disagree with you on trail cams. So the guy had to walk out there once and place the cam there, that justifies it? It's weak. And it isn't a far leap to using satellites to track animals in the field. How about the guy/gal takes some hikes out into the field regularly? Philosophically we should promote fair hunt practices. I don't know exactly what those are. And I agree, if I use hunt surveys am I as guilty as using a satellite? Well, if you want to draw that comparison you're free to, but common sense would find a distinction between the two. I totally disagree with selling coordinates, but you can't tell me that guides aren't effectively the same thing. What it boils down to is what, as a culture, we define hunting to be. And maybe you're right, as long as the result helps conserve wilderness and contributes money to conservation somehow, who cares how the trophy is obtained. I'm certainly not throwing a hand-made spear at a bull elk. I'm using a very modern arsenal. So no purity stuff here. Selling coordinates and using a guide are the same in my book. Paying for direct access. Period. Let's be honest that both don't guarantee an outcome. If we take the serendipity out of hunting (think Tinder with romance?), I really think we lose something. Tech is going to happen, but it will be critically important for hunters to push to keep the spirit of what "hunting" is. It's the hunt for something, success or not. Otherwise let's go to Texas. Really just thinking through this issue myself, and appreciate you starting the conversation, because I've been thinking about it.

Dave B. - posted 2 years ago on 01-02-2018 12:50:06 pm
Lolo, Montana

@Mark L- First off, thanks for reading the article! I really appreciate it. secondly, my response may be fairly long as I would like to make sure that I cover all of your points, so bear with me!

"Really? How is it worse than people setting up trail cams?"
- It's true, trail cameras can definitely help a hunter narrow down times and or locations to be in the woods at a given time to aid in harvesting a target animal. But, how do the cameras get out there? Sometimes luck plays it's hand but I would wager to bet that not everyone can walk out, put up a camera miraculously get a picture of the bull/bull of their dreams. There is a lot of background work put into finding the correct placement. Just for a minute, imagine this; You've found a great glassing location and have locked an open draw on public land where a 190"+ mule deer crosses every night on his way to feed. You can watch this location with ease from a distance and know that for the last week the deer has used this particular draw between 7:00 and 7:15PM. If you act on this knowledge you've now gained is it really all that different than a guy who set a camera up in the draw and got the same info?

"How about Texas hunt ranches where the animals are penned in effectively?"
- I think we can both agree that this is not hunting.

"How about paying guides big money when they know exactly where the animals are?"
- As opposed to paying a guide who has no idea where the animals are? People hire guides for a wide range of reasons and if their prerogative is to simply fill a tag then all the power to them. I promise you a guided hunt will cost a lot more than purchasing the location of an animal, not to mention the amount of money the guides and outfitters will bring into the local economy.

" I think gohunt is affiliated with a number of people who sell GPS coordinates"
- Can you cite your sources?

"But be real about it, not feign disgust when this very website is part of the tech issue."
-I already covered this in a previous comment but for the sake of ease I will outline it again here. All of the information I include in my articles(consider signing up for INSIDER where all of the best info is, $149/yr) is gathered through public resources such as game and fish websites. Essentially, I dig through hundreds of numbers and reports to find key elements to combine and present in an easy to read fashion. In other words, there isn't an ounce of information goHUNT provides that isn't already available to you or anyone else. Now, the difference there lies in the way the information is gathered and collaborated. Beyond there, there are some tech savvy geniuses calculating all of the said data into the most accurate information available. For the most part, if you have ver looked at any drawing statistics, winter studies, etc.. you've contributed to the "tech issue".

Again, thanks for reading! If you have any more questions I'd love to discuss them with you.

Dave B. - posted 2 years ago on 01-02-2018 12:22:40 pm
Lolo, Montana

@Nolan P- If you dive into HB0005 it does specify that outfitters and their employees are exempt from most of what is outlined in the bill in regards to providing information on animal locations. As far as finders fee's are concerned I'm sure there's not much regulation that can be provided. Thats just a part of that industry that will continue regardless. That being said, if the topic comes up in a case that is being built against any "wrong do-er" you can lay money on the stage of WY coming down on them hard. Thanks for taking the time to read the article!

Dave B. - posted 2 years ago on 01-02-2018 12:09:23 pm
Lolo, Montana

@Jeremy W- While I can't speak for all of goHUNT I can give you my $.02 on the subject. Research tools, such as goHUNT, are merely collaborating public information and presenting it in a extremely condensed and organized fashion. Nearly all of this information is gathered from surveys and studies done by each states individual wildlife management agencies. As far as comparing the apps to research tools; goHUNT does make suggestions on hunt areas based on historical trophy qualities, harvest statistics, and draw odds. Sure, this can help you narrow down your selections but in no way will it tell you to "hunt behind this tree, 200" deer can be found here".

Bottom line here, researching a hunt and putting in the work is far from showing up and buying the location of an animal. All of the information presented in my articles in public information, but what you don't see if the 6+ hours of work and reading it took to get all of the that info into one spot where you can read it in 5 minutes.

Dave B. - posted 2 years ago on 01-02-2018 12:00:52 pm
Lolo, Montana

@John J- While I do agree with some of your sentiments I do think that you are missing the point on guided hunts vs the use of this app. While I will never hire a guide(unless required) it doesn't mean that every hunter shares my(our) same views. Perhaps a guy just wants to experience western hunting with higher odds of punching a tag? Sure, we can play the whole "it's not about the kill" card here all day but when it comes to spending money to travel and hunt it is just a little about the kill. Not everyone want's to drop $1500 on an out of state hunt to come home with nothing when can do that at home.

So, in the grand scheme of "paying someone to lead me to an animal" guiding and this app are not a whole lot different. Now, where the difference does fall is in the fact that guides are contributing money to our wildlife through taxes and licensing. Joe schmo that just sold the location of a 180" mule deer? He hasn't contributed a thing.

Mark L. - posted 2 years ago on 01-02-2018 10:54:14 am

“...this is incredibly alarming, infuriating, and downright wrong on many’s sickening really.” Really? How is it worse than people setting up trail cams? How about Texas hunt ranches where the animals are penned in effectively? How about paying guides big money when they know exactly where the animals are? 65 year old clients being atv’d right to the shoot spot for 10k and a beautiful photo? This is ok to you? Be honest with the state of the industry. Very soon satellites will offer real time imagery of where every single large bull in America is standing, and people will 100% pay for and use that information. This is a reality. As long as hunters focus more on the photo than the hunt itself, this is the direction hunting is headed. Complain all you want. But don’t be a hypocrite. I think gohunt is affiliated with a number of people who sell GPS coordinates. Or are guides different than that? People pay 10k not to have a guide take them to a specific coordinate with a trophy at the end? Same thing guys. The satellite issue is the bigger issue people should be concerned about. And if you think big Texas oilmen aren’t already paying for this data, you’re naive. Bulls are being killed with real time data now. As an industry we should consider these issues. But he real about it, not feign disgust when this very website is part of the tech issue.

Warren L. - posted 2 years ago on 01-02-2018 09:25:53 am
Shelton, CT.

Jeremy W, there is a big difference between a GPS co ordnance which is less than an acre compared to a unit from go hunt which is possibly hundreds of square miles.

Nolan P. - posted 2 years ago on 01-02-2018 08:57:24 am
Syracuse, Utah

I have a couple of thoughts/questions about this. First I am 100% against the selling of information that would decrease or eliminate fair chase. EARN YOUR TROPHY, even a rag horn is a trophy when you earn it. In my opinion, the guides and outfitters have gotten away with too much lately and often get a pass on the ethical nature of their operations because they bring in state tax revenue. I am not against outfitters, but they maybe need to have a little more oversight. I haven't dug into the WY legislation yet, but I am curious how it will affect outfitters, specifically paying finders fees? I don't see a difference between paying a finders fee and buying the same info through an app. It sounds like the apps are just the technical evolution of finders fees. My other thought is kind of a "devils advocate" view. Again I am not in favor of selling locations, but these animals are not in a stationary location. They move, get pushed, migrate, etc. If someone gave me a GPS location, I would never expect to see that animal standing in that exact location. Any hunter knows that an exact location is pointless. Tell me a draw, ridge, or area where the animal has been seen. Great article and hopefully we can start to bring fair chase back to what it really means.

SETH D. - posted 2 years ago on 01-02-2018 05:58:51 am
Sunny New Mexico

I spend about $1400 a year to not hunt and buy points in the USA. For some species like; sheep, moose, and goat maybe none of those points will ever amount to a tag. It is quite possible to sink $4000 into a drawing a tag, in some place like Wyoming, Arizona, Utah or Nevada and never draw one. Especially with point creep and the increased cost of points (and licenses in those states that require you to buy a license to get a point), it is a tough expense to explain to my wife who doesn't hunt, and has no interest in it.

I know I am not alone in this stupid venture. What makes it really sad is thinking about my 3 daughters and trying to figure out a way for them to hunt into the future. My 6 year old is 4 years from being a point purchaser, and hopeful hunter.

We won't live in Germany forever, so when that magical moment happens and we return to the Western USA what will this entire thing look like?

Every aspect of the current system goes against the North American Model of the masses having the opportunity to hunt, and remain a valid part of the wildlife management decision piece.

I bought a Outdoor LIfe Magazine the other day, and Doyle Moss was listed as a influencer? Did anyone else see this? I about puked my guts out.

I am not against the guide industry, but I am tired of trying to figure out how to separate the wheat from the crap. I have noticed that a lot of guides in Utah are wanting a 20-30% tip. I tipped $300 on my last guided hunt in Namibia, It was $5500 for 10 animals for 10 days.

I don't tip waitresses $10 on a $40 meal, why the he double hockey sticks would I give someone $2000-3000 on a $10,000 elk hunt, though you will probably never see me on a $10,000 elk hunt. Someone shoot me if I pay $10,000 to hunt elk.

Enough rant for a couple days, I have to go photograph 220 inch mule deer so I can put their coordinates on ebay.

Jeremy W. - posted 2 years ago on 01-01-2018 11:09:49 am
Perry, Georgia

I may take some heat from this but whats the difference in those apps providing a service "which I don't agree with" and a site like Gohunt. Everything we are doing is about gaining information on where to hunt and our best odds. This site even has a expected trophy size in each area. We all want to better our odds because of the amount of hard work and money we invest into a hunt. Where is the line? When will the states tell gohunt to shut down because of its recommendations.

John J. - posted 2 years ago on 01-01-2018 07:50:46 am

Monetizing our natural resources has always been a problem. Dating back to the market hunting days. This is an evolution of what is wrong with making profit off of hunting. Is buying gps coordinates of a trophy animal’s location any different than paying for a guided hunt? It’s a lazy man’s way to success, and yet guided hunts are seen as acceptable. Having a team of guys finding game, leading you to it, and then packing it out for you, is not hunting. If you really want to hunt a given animal, whatever it may be, do your due diligence by researching, make phone calls, and boots on the ground scouting. Many resources are available for the DIY hunter. If you don’t “have the time” to scout out of state, or are unwilling to do the research for the hunt, you don’t deserve the animal- bottom line. The trophy on the wall should represent more than “I tagged along with a guide and he let me take the shot.” The only exception I can see, is in places where it’s illegal to hunt without a guide, based on safety reasons which is mandated in certain wilderness areas.

Dave B. - posted 2 years ago on 01-01-2018 07:05:18 am
Lolo, Montana

@Seth D- I agree on all accounts. Social media can be both a great and terrible thing for our sport. Thanks for reading!

@Mark S- As this type of service grows I hope to see more states take on a stance such as Wyoming's!

@Jay C- I agree! Definitely a tough pill to swallow when so many hunters are willing to put in the necessary hours to find a trophy quality animal the legitimate way.

@Barry W- I think the "trophy hunters" looking for the kill have probably always been there(to some degree), it's just that social media have given them a public platform to advertise from now. This is one of those gray area arguments that will boil down to ethics. I too come from a hunting background similar to yours. I'm in it for the adventure, not the inches!

@Sam T- I couldn't agree more. It's time for some accountability.

Sam T. - posted 2 years ago on 01-01-2018 05:08:11 am
Acworth, GA

Good article! I couldn't agree more. If we don't police our own ranks hunting as we know it is in serious trouble.

Barry W. - posted 2 years ago on 12-31-2017 06:51:25 pm

Wow! Fortunately I grew up at time when hunting just involved the hunter and the hunted. I guess now there are people who think hunting is just killing, and the bigger, the better. So sad. Thank-you for the article!

Jay C. - posted 2 years ago on 12-31-2017 05:35:44 pm
Heber, UT

Makes me sick. Average DIY hunters should be outraged at this. My best friends are lucky if they know the “general area” of a big buck or bull and vica versa. This is the prostitution of a public resource, one that I hold very dear. Get out and work for it.

mark s. - posted 2 years ago on 12-31-2017 05:27:46 pm

Great article. I don’t think it should be legal, on the other hand I believe the same type of people that would pay for location will also be too lazy to get out of their truck and make it happen. Animals move because of many reasons there’s no way to guarantee it would be in the vacinity anyway. Hopefully it gets banned in all western states.

SETH D. - posted 2 years ago on 12-31-2017 01:00:14 pm
Sunny New Mexico

I had seen "scouting services" being offered in Arizona, I had no idea of what that actually meant until now.

Terms like "horn porn", whacked-em, "he's a beast", and all of that spin the public against us and paint us as blood thirsty killers.

Taylor S. - posted 2 years ago on 12-31-2017 05:59:00 am
Highlands Ranch, Colorado

Spot on!

Dave B. - posted 2 years ago on 12-29-2017 05:44:50 pm
Lolo, Montana

@Seth D- Thanks man, I really appreciated it!

@Jared Y- I agree! I'm not sure that this app will make too much headway but if it does I sure hope the remaining states will nip this in the butt.

@Gary H- Thanks for taking the time to read it! I really appreciate it!

@Keith B- You hit the nail on the head. As much as hunters like to feel safe in our bubble the alarming fact is that hunting rights are being taken away at an alarming rate. One thing only leads to another... The time for action and representation is now! Thanks for taking the time to read and add your input!

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Keith B. - posted 2 years ago on 12-29-2017 09:42:36 am

Spot on Dave. This is the conversation we need to be having. The days of hunting being confined to our personal photo albums, camps, magazines and conventions is over. Social media has pulled back the sheets and with animal welfare being a global concern hunting is ripe for the picking. We ignore this fact and cling to hunting being our right that can't be taken away at our own peril. Ever think we would lose grizzly bear hunting in British Columbia? Don't think HSUS stands a chance of ending mountain lion hunting in Arizona. Alarmist? Maybe, but how many more kicks in the shin do we need? There is no entity that is going to swoop in and clean up this mess. We need to be doing it ourselves.

Gary H. - posted 2 years ago on 12-29-2017 07:07:05 am

Enjoyed reading this.!

Jared Y. - posted 2 years ago on 12-29-2017 03:40:55 am
Jeffersonville, Indiana

Very well put! Hopefully the other states follow Wyoming's lead.

SETH D. - posted 2 years ago on 12-29-2017 02:48:38 am
Sunny New Mexico

Great article Dave!