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ALERT: New bill will severely impact nonresident hunters in WY

Wyoming bill SF0094 to severely impact Wyoming nonresident hunters

  • Feb. 12, 1:59 p.m. PST Update: I just got a text message saying this bill failed. See more info here. 1 in support, 28 not in support.

Wyoming bill SF0094 stopped

  • Feb. 11, 3:32 p.m. PST Update: We reached out to several organizations to comment on this bill. You can read their statements at the bottom of the article.

Early this morning I received an email from the Wyoming Outfitters & Guides Association (WOGA) mentioning a new bill that was introduced yesterday, Feb. 10. This bill was introduced by Senator Hicks that will severely impact all nonresident hunters in the state of Wyoming! The bill in question is SF0094.

Note: the Wyoming Outfitters & Guides Association are against this bill.

Screenshot of Wyoming bill SF0094

Screenshot of Wyoming bill SF0094.

"AN ACT relating to game and fish; modifying the number of licenses reserved for resident hunters; increasing specified nonresident license fees; repealing provisions for special nonresident licenses; and providing for an effective date."

Areas worth mentioning

  • Based on discussions with WOGA, this bill actually has the potential to take away regulative authority and remove the language around the 7,250 guaranteed nonresident elk numbers in Statute. This is not just a decrease in limited quota, but all nonresident licenses!
  • The Special Draw license split would be discontinued.
  • Under the proposed bill, Wyoming will reserve at least 90% of big game, bison and grizzly bear licenses to resident hunters.
    • This will drastically cut tag numbers! Most species will see greater than a 50% cut in nonresident tags.
  • In any hunt area with less than ten (10) licenses available, the commission shall not issue any licenses to nonresident hunters pursuant to this subsection
  • When the commission determines the number of licenses available for nonresident hunters under this subsection, the commission shall reserve at least thirty percent (30%) of those licenses for nonresident hunters who are hunting with a licensed outfitter. The commission shall adopt rules necessary to implement a process to issue licenses to nonresident hunters who are hunting with a licensed outfitter.

Fee increases

  • Resident application fees will stay the same
  • Nonresident application fee will increase from $15.00 to $17.00. A 13.33% increase.

It is also worth mentioning that Wyoming recently had a license and preference point fee increase in 2018. You can read that article here.

Potential Wyoming fee increases

All are nonresident
fee increases
2019
Fee
Future
Fees
Percent
increase
Deer $372 $550 47.85%
Elk $690 $800 15.94%
Bighorn Sheep $2,318 $3,000 29.42%
Mountain Goat $2,160 $2,500 15.74%
Moose $1,900 $2,500 31.58%
Antelope $324 $425 31.17%
Bison $4,400 $5,500 25.0%

New bill fiscal notes

New bill fiscal notes.

What can you do?

Contact these five Senators who are on the Travel, Recreation, Wildlife and Cultural Resources Committee. These people directly have the power to impact hunting in Wyoming.

Ogden.Driskill@wyoleg.gov
Liisa.Anselmi-Dalton@wyoleg.gov
Tom.James@wyoleg.gov
Glenn.Moniz@wyoleg.gov
Jeff.Wasserburger@wyoleg.gov

In conclusion

What are your thoughts? If passed, we could see these changes being implemented on January 1, 2022. As stated at the beginning of this article, in that email I received this morning, the Wyoming Outfitters & Guides Association are strongly opposed to this bill!


New information added

We reached out for comments, and below are two pieces of information from Sy Gilliland, President of the Wyoming Outfitters & Guides Association and Jess Johnson, Advocacy and Legislative Liaison, Wyoming Wildlife Federation.

"This bill is bad for Wildlife management as it takes away the commissions' authority to set license quotas for Elk, Deer and Antelope. Sheep, Moose, Bison and Mtn Goat are currently set in state statute. The reason this is so important is wildlife populations fluctuate and the Game and Fish needs to be able to adjust quotas as needed in order to remain fiscally sound and manage our herds. Currently, the Wyoming resident receives or buys roughly 80% of the big game licenses and funds 20% of the department license fees. Nonresident hunters receive approximately 20% of the licenses and provide 80% of the department's license fee funding. This is a great model and both resident and nonresident sportsmen benefit. The resident has incredible opportunities to hunt big game and in fact Wyoming only has 70,000 residents hunting big game or 12% of our states population. Wyoming does not have enough big game hunters to harvest the amount of wildlife that’s needed to be harvested annually. In fact right at 40% of the resident hunters only buy one big game license per year. So Wyoming has to rely on nonresidents not only to fund our department but also harvest the amount of game needed each year. To be fair, the vast majority of resident hunters support nonresident hunters and realize the vast economic contributions they make to our department and tourism economy. It’s really limited to a very few malcontents that don’t want non residents competing with them in the field.

To be crystal clear the members of WYOGA at no time were ever consulted by Senator Hicks about this bill or the 30% outfitter set aside. I am sure Senator Hicks thought offering a license set aside for Outfitters would garner outfitter support. By cutting nonresident hunting licenses by half, then offering 30% of half as a carrot to get our support, Senator Hicks demonstrated how little regard he has for the huge contributions to Wyoming's economy made by nonresident sportsman. The members of WYOGA do not support any aspect of SF94 including the license set aside.

I encourage our nonresident sportsmen to have their voices heard and email the state Senators listed on the TRW committee."

Sy Gilliland
President WYOGA

 

"This 90/10 bill...while it looks on the surface to benefit residents (it does only a minuscule amount- see fact sheet) ultimately it is an economic hit for Wyoming communities that rely on nonresident dollars in shoulder seasons (Think Cody, Jackson, and other tourism-dependent counties).  To offset the balloon effect that less nonresident fees would cost the game and fish budget we are left with the option to either hike resident fees (a nonstarter in the Wyoming legislature) or to hike an already pricey non- resident fee which we have no way of predicting where the ceiling is for folks who will just find this too expensive to hunt in our state at all. Wyoming Wildlife Federation (WWF) is worried about the overall negative effect on hunter recruitment, especially in the instance of our young folks who leave home for and after college and wish to still hunt this amazing state as a nonresident. We are also concerned about economic dollars to communities, small businesses and outfitters. Hunting is a huge part of our state and we want to keep it as an accessible and high quality of a hunt as our stats allow."

Jess Johnson
Advocacy and Legislative Liaison, Wyoming Wildlife Federation

More information provided by the Wyoming Wildlife Federation

Vote ‘NO’ on Senate File 94: Wyoming Resident/Nonresident License Allocation

This bill changes the current framework of license allocation from approximately 84% of big game licenses going to resident hunters and 16-20% to nonresidents to 90% of big game, bison, and grizzly bear licenses being reserved for resident hunters. Additionally, it bars any unit with less than 10 licenses available from issuing nonresident licenses and raises nonresident license and application fees significantly, making Wyoming the most expensive place to hunt antelope, bison, moose, and mountain goats, and second most expensive place to hunt deer, bighorn sheep, and elk for nonresidents.

WHY you should oppose this bill:

A 90/10 license allocation split is going to cost Wyoming residents and the state.

  • This bill would represent a loss of about 7% of nonresident licenses available. This loss in nonresident hunter spending into Wyoming’s economy (which is approximately $86.6 million annually) would be over $5 million out of the pockets of Wyoming residents that make their living supporting sportsmen and women.
  • While the bill sets aside 30% of nonresident licenses for hunting with guides and outfitters, this is from a license pool that is 37% smaller. This provision does not compensate for the economic losses to guides and outfitters.
  • In addition to the economic losses for Wyoming residents, tax revenues will also be impacted. The total tax revenues generated by nonresident hunters is estimated at $14.6 million, so a 7% loss would be over a $1 million loss to the state that is not accounted for by raising nonresident license prices.
  • Because of the structure of the new license allocation, over-the-counter tags would no longer be available to nonresident hunters if it would put nonresident hunters in any unit over 10%. This will lower the number of tags that Game and Fish can issue in some units and reduce their flexibility in managing Wyoming’s wildlife.

It does not increase hunting opportunity enough to justify the costs. Large applicant pools, not limited licenses, are responsible for low drawing odds.

  • In bighorn sheep for example, 176 licenses were available for residents and nonresidents combined in 2019. 132 of those went to residents, and 44 to nonresidents. Considering the numbers of applicants in each pool, residents had about a 1.25% chance of drawing a tag, while nonresidents had about a 0.5% chance.
  • Under this bill, no unit with fewer than 10 licenses can issue a license to a nonresident. Within that framework, about 158 of the available licenses would go to residents and 18 to nonresidents. Because applicant pools are so large, (10,567 residents applied in 2019) the odds of drawing a sheep tag for a resident would only increase to 1.5% overall.

Sources:

Wyoming Outfitters and Guides Association 2016: Big Game Hunting and Outfitting Economic Contributions in Wyoming
Wyoming Game and Fish 2019: Drawing Odds Reports

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Jeff R. - posted 3 days ago on 02-13-2020 11:45:21 am
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Thank you Gohunt for the update. I was prepared to never support WY again. But thankfully I will continue to hunt and support the state.

Greg V. - posted 4 days ago on 02-12-2020 07:10:11 pm
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I was ready to avoid Wyoming all together, not just quit applying for tags, but also actually avoiding all travel through the state. I travel back and forth between CO and MT quite frequently, usually spending a night in Cody and spending $$$ in Riverton and Rawlins. However, I could easily jog west and avoid WY altogether. Maybe I won’t have to now. We’ll just have to keep a close eye on the future.

brooks b. - posted 4 days ago on 02-12-2020 06:21:09 pm

Emails sent to thank those who voted this down. If it had passed I probably would never hunt there in my life. As it is now hope to in the next few years. The points creep is a huge problem though as we all know

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Ben H. - posted 4 days ago on 02-12-2020 04:19:31 pm
wright, mn
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Matthew and John, I can understand your frustrations. I get it. However this bill was rediculous! Why take away at a minimum 80% of G&F funding to help your/our wildlife. I was on edge all day long thinking about this bill. Wyo would of lost a lot if it was to go the left way.

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Kris S. - posted 4 days ago on 02-12-2020 03:46:59 pm
Keizer, Oregon
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I was just notified of the failure of the bill by one of the senators! Yes, thank God. Right prevails!!

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Kris S. - posted 4 days ago on 02-12-2020 03:45:52 pm
Keizer, Oregon
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I was just notified of the failure to by one of the senators! Yes, thank God. Right prevails!!

Jason D. - posted 4 days ago on 02-12-2020 03:40:26 pm
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Thank god this bill was crushed, not the first time Hicks has had a bill like this fail or withdrawn. Wish someone would introduce a bill in favor of both resident and NR disabled veteran drawing odds. I'm a Wyo resident and have been for quite some time but I'm moving out of state for my job soon. Have yet to draw a first choice deer or elk tag, but that's my fault for only applying for the ridiculously low odds unit. If I drew then it would've been amazing, if not, I still had great opportunities in General areas, I was ok with that. This bill made me cringe as both a resident and future NR, very poorly thought out bill.

Cody M. - posted 4 days ago on 02-12-2020 03:04:05 pm
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On another note.....as a new member of this site I am excited to see that Gohunt provides information and opportunities to make a difference in the industry. I came here for draw data but found so much more. Should have signed up long ago, worth every penny.

mark h. - posted 4 days ago on 02-12-2020 03:01:07 pm

I have either applied to, or purchased points in, eight western state for over 25 years, expecting that one day I will retire and have some hunting to enjoy. I gave up on Wyoming after twelve years because I missed the purchase deadlines while distracted by health concerns of ailing family members and so lost all of my points. Some will be glad to hear it, some perhaps not. I do not recall what those points cost me, but as a matter of principle it did not seem right to start over.

To some extent, the growing fascination with technology is to blame for fewer opportunities. With trail cameras and 800-yard rifles, any schmuck can get his buck, and higher success rates necessitate fewer tags. Perhaps we would all be wise to exchange high tech for more tags in specified units or hunt dates. Bring in actual hunters...

Cody M. - posted 4 days ago on 02-12-2020 02:59:54 pm
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Just received response from Senator Anselmi-Dalton who in fact voted no as well. Glad to see some common sense thinking in the right circles in WY. If I were a resident of WY, I would be proud of this type of leadership that maintains some forward thinking regarding the well being of the state and its resources. Senator Hicks appears a bit short sighted in this type of approach to revenue production. Had there been some science based reasoning that would be something different but this was just money grab and a poor attempt at that.

Peter M. - posted 4 days ago on 02-12-2020 02:47:01 pm
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Thanks for the update. The thought of this bill passing had me all worked up. Wyoming has always been a go to state for the non-resident hunter, but this bill would have changed that. The question is still out there as to how the new draw dates are going to affect things.

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AJAX M. - posted 4 days ago on 02-12-2020 02:46:37 pm
West Linn, OR
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Matthew,
I think if you analyzed this Bill thoroughly you would have a different opinion. The big picture here is that the majority of Wyoming game and fish annual budget is provided by NR's. Changes like this would only promote non-participation and in that a substantial budget shortfall. If that were to happen then Residents would be left holding the buck to make up the difference. ( a HUGE shortfall) The economics involved in this decision and loss of income would negatively impact the entire state. Using the little town of Alpine WY as only one example, that little town would dry up faster then a rain drop in Yuma Arizona if non residents didn't participate in hunting in WY. Anyway, that's my 2 cents and I am deeply grateful for the 28 senators who voted Nay and believe they were intelligent in their decision making. Good luck out there man.

SETH D. - posted 4 days ago on 02-12-2020 02:41:28 pm
Sunny New Mexico
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The worst thing any state that does not have a points program could do is install one.

My hope is that eventually these points programs go away. I just don't see it happening.

Matthew A. - posted 4 days ago on 02-12-2020 02:31:06 pm
Cheyenne, WY
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As a resident I wish this bill passed.

Arron J. - posted 4 days ago on 02-12-2020 02:22:11 pm
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John W, I feel your pain. I like that my state has a resident preference point system for LE units. I feel that is one area WY could make a change for the better.

John W. - posted 4 days ago on 02-12-2020 02:05:39 pm

I'm a Wyo resident. Been sending in for the same elk tag unsuccessfully for thirteen years and with no point system for residents in place...without more resident tags my chances aren't getting better anytime soon. I know the price difference between non and resident tags is basically ridiculous but just so NR'S know our license prices have been going up every year for some time. It's only a couple dollars a year but still

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Brady M. - posted 4 days ago on 02-12-2020 02:03:58 pm
Las Vegas, NV
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@Sammy and Ajax - I love your speed! I just got a text minutes ago saying the same thing. I'm going to drop an update at the top of this article.

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AJAX M. - posted 4 days ago on 02-12-2020 02:02:31 pm
West Linn, OR
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https://wyoleg.gov/Legislation/2020/SF0094

Sammy S is correct. Thank Goodness it was overwhelmingly a failure.

sammy s. - posted 4 days ago on 02-12-2020 01:54:33 pm
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Not to hijack Brady's article but this FAILED to be introduced. 1 Aye to 28 Nays. I would be in favor of the 90/10 rule but open up the wilderness areas.

Sean B. - posted 4 days ago on 02-12-2020 01:26:01 pm
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I like Gary H's idea. Think of how many more tags and revenue there would be if they let NR on to just some of the wilderness areas and it would spread people out more.

Dillon H. - posted 4 days ago on 02-12-2020 01:06:30 pm
Douglas, Wyoming
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Would be really nice to be inline with other states on this! But..... the Wyoming guides and outfitters association actually runs our state government, this bill won’t see the light of day! They are good and bad for the “DIY” nonresident ultimately they will fight for your higher than average quota allotment, they will also never allow the wilderness law to change pick you poison. If I didn’t live here I’d rather have Wilderness access and less tags then more tags and no wilderness access. I will be putting pressure on my elected officials in my state in favor of this bill!

Vance W. - posted 4 days ago on 02-12-2020 12:15:47 pm
Anthem AZ
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It appears WY is trying to come into line with most of the other western states on the NR tag % allocation. Here in AZ we limit NR to 10% on most draws, the sheep work a little different. Going to a 90/10 split is not completely out of bed compared to other western states but the specific language of this initial bill may not be exactly helpful to WY over all. I think WY has a unique situation with the eastern part of the state and antelope. Maybe a species specific allocation and/or on the heavily over prescribed units /species would be better. I agree with people on here that are noticing a large increase in people putting in for hard to draw species. There are not more hunters in the woods on draw hunts but definitely on OTC hunts. I do think this is due to many factors, the information and publicity online is part of it but I think the difficulty of finding affordable places to hunt in the eastern US is also a factor, pushing hunters west into public land. I know a lot of people in TX that have quit hunting due to land access costs. There is no perfect solution I just hope these Game/Fish depts. keep their eye on conservation and keep herds healthy.

Al g. - posted 4 days ago on 02-12-2020 12:11:41 pm

I was read a post or too about people complaining about NR HUNTERS. YOU HAVE SOME LIBERALS THAT HAVE COME AND DONT KNOW HOW TO HUNT OR BAD SHOTS. THEY WANT TO PROTECT THERE WILDLIFE. IN the end they hurt the animals more than they help. The next you know they will be complaining the elk are eating there flowers. Then they want someone to stop the elk or wild life from eating there flower and hire someone to shoot them. How pathetic.

Al g. - posted 4 days ago on 02-12-2020 12:04:13 pm

It like saying there are 100 hundred o that come hunt. That probably 10thousand $$ just for hunting and not including food,lodging,gas,rental vehicle. Which might be another30 thousand dollars.thst residents have to come up with.

If I'm not mistaken there wa sa a large gun manufacturer that just moved there. Why take tourism dollar away from the community.

This like saying we ARE GOING TO CHARGE AND EXTRA 50$ TO OUT STATE VISTORS

Arron J. - posted 4 days ago on 02-12-2020 11:51:28 am
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The WYOGA and WWF are measured and thoughtfully put. As a NR, I appreciate the opportunity WY presents to hunt for myself and take my kids hunting. WY was my first NR hunting experience. I was out of college and just getting to where I could afford to hunt again. I drew an antelope tag in unit 90. The random odds at that time I think were less than 2%. My wife still doesn't believe me the odds of pulling that tag were so low with zero points. In other hunts since in WY I've splurged a little more and stayed in hotels, eat out more, and spend on supplies. Someday, if the circumstances are right, I may do a dream hunt.

Overall, I'd like to say thanks to WY for the past opportunities to hunt your state as a NR. If you change the rules to make it tougher on NRs to hunt, that's okay too. I respect that is WY's right to self-governance. I may change my plans too. But, I am grateful I got to hunt in the Cowboy State when I did.

Gary H. - posted 4 days ago on 02-12-2020 11:50:20 am
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Or is my idea just a band-aid on a bullet wound. I dont really know.

Gary H. - posted 4 days ago on 02-12-2020 11:48:41 am
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Chris D. I have brought this up for years after watching point creep and hate for NR hunters in the state.

I have been all but burned at the stake for even mentioning it across various message boards.

I personally e-mailed the people listed above at those e-mail addresses suggesting this as a fix. I am sure it will fall on deaf ears but it is a great idea.

They need to start thinking outside of the box to resolve this issue.

Instead they choose 1 group of people to punish- NR Hunters.

Kal K. - posted 4 days ago on 02-12-2020 11:41:12 am

Well theirs a lot of the Residents have been complaneing a lot about out of state hunters not just in this state others to that have big game to hunt saying we are killing their big game. So I guess some wine bags with money pulled strings to get this going & it's only going to get worse for us non residents.

Chris D. - posted 4 days ago on 02-12-2020 11:28:43 am
Cleveland, OH
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Gary H. - Changing to designated Archery vs. Rifle a really good idea for WY, one of the best I've heard in a minute. More revenue, more tags / opportunity, more precise ability to manage pressure.

Gary H. - posted 4 days ago on 02-12-2020 11:14:42 am
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Its time to get rid of the wilderness rules and break up the tags.

People need to decide if they want to be a rifle hunter or an archery hunter.

This by itself solves a TON of the issues Wyoming is facing.

They can sell a lot more tags that way. Think about it. The local economy would be flourishing from the first of archery to the end of rifle. I cannot believe they have not at least explores this option yet.

Hell if they did this it would solve financial issues, and it would be eliminating the point creep at the same time.

A general Rifle Elk
A general Archery Elk

Force people to choose and get rid of the archery stamp all together.

Al g. - posted 4 days ago on 02-12-2020 11:13:10 am

That must be a way Democrats think they can hurt the gun owner and also hurt the state because of there petty self.
That like say if your out of state you cant come SNOW SKIING OR COME TO YELLEWSTONE.

Chris D. - posted 4 days ago on 02-12-2020 11:05:33 am
Cleveland, OH
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Guys defending this by saying - "Pressure is up, you need to cut tags numbers" miss the point. They're not cutting overall numbers, just non-res allocation. So the impact on the herd is essentially unchanged, you're not protecting anything just stuffing the coffers. That's a governmental prerogative I suppose, but let's keep this intellectually honest lol

Mark A. - posted 4 days ago on 02-12-2020 10:40:38 am
Lake Villa IL
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If it takes 3 points to get a general tag isn't it already being capped. Point creep is out of control so raise the price until people give up. Great management plan.

Gary H. - posted 4 days ago on 02-12-2020 10:40:29 am
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As yes, another way to screw the non-resident hunter. I love it.

Wilderness rules and now guide tag allotments, rising fees and decreased tags.

Wyoming residents HATE non-resident hunters so I am sure they are super excited about ti and elected officials like happy residents.

Flip side is that it will crash their local economy's that are already struggling to get by. So go ahead Wyoming, slit your wrists....be my guest. At least you will be able to draw your freaking coveted tag easier now. Because thats what really matters....lol

Neil E. - posted 4 days ago on 02-12-2020 09:44:37 am

Most non resident hunting in Wyoming is on federal land. We all pay taxes for the US government to own an manage these BLM and Forest service properties.
As an out of state hunter I don't mind paying reasonable fees to hunt and we drop quite a bit of cash locally when we do. But when the state makes in very discriminatory against non residents we'll go elsewhere .
Not to mention the wildlife management implications of such a bill. My suggestion is vote No.

Arron J. - posted 4 days ago on 02-12-2020 09:08:31 am
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WY has a right to do whatever it wants, and it will be interesting to see how NRs respond. A "regular rate" deer tag in WY is not worth $500 plus an additional $1000 to bank the points to draw it (by the time you draw WY will probably double the tag and the bonus point costs again). I stopped buying moose points last year. It was a sunk cost fallacy decision; I could no longer justify paying $150 annually once I realized it is probably less to just go on a dream hunt in Alaska (tag and expenses included) by the time I paid for WY points, the tag, and waited 20+ years to draw. That's about to get way worse for elk, deer, and antelope if this bill passes and I think other NRs will have to face the same decision. WY is already very expensive for NRs.

There are definitely a few vocal local guys on here that complain their lack of hunting success is because they can't draw a dream tag in WY or CO every year. Seriously, if you can't get it done in WY being able to buy a general OTC elk and deer (which includes Region G) tag and hunt all that wilderness by yourselves every year, not sure anyone or any tag can help you. That really is the point being missed here. WY has already set it up so residents can buy tags OTC every year in what is equivalent to LE units in other states. You can change the R/NR tag ratio to 99/1 in WY and all you will do is make a tiny bump increase in resident draw odds on the LE tags and destroy your management funding.

Joe G. - posted 4 days ago on 02-12-2020 08:00:43 am

I am in process of planning an Antelope hunt in Wyoming with my 2 younger brothers. An increase of over 300 dollars for 3 tags is untenable. Are you deliberately trying to discourage non residents from visiting your state? Everyone is aware of the the collateral spending that occurs when hunters and fisherman visit states as non- resident users of the outdoor activities. In most states in runs in the many millions of dollars! It looks like we'll have to reconsider our plans in this light of extreme unfriendliness toward non-residents.

jared a. - posted 4 days ago on 02-12-2020 07:37:43 am
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It seems like what most Wyoming residents are upset about in this feed is the ability to “cheat” the draw. Some are saying Wyoming is just following other western states. Here’s a simpler solution that won’t impact your economy, get rid of party applications. Montana has very few limited elk units and mostly general units, so it makes sense for the state to cap non residents at 10% for LE. Wyoming has zero general units for non residents. They may say general, but if it takes 3-4 bonus points to draw, is it really a general unit? Sounds like a lot of folks are mad about YouTube and social media, which really means your upset cause how does some out of stater kill bigger bulls and bucks then you? Eastmans hunting journals, a Wyoming publication has been at the forefront of how to western hunting info for something like 70 years? Every year they take people to Montana to shoot mule deer and tell the world, any buddy can get a general tag and do this. So thanks for that Wyoming, our small town businesses appreciated it. Doesn’t seem to be reciprocal though. You chase em out now, you’ll never get em back. You lose tags now you’ll never get em back. You cut it down for a few, they’ll keep cutting it till there’s none. Careful what you wish for.

RUSS H. - posted 4 days ago on 02-12-2020 07:06:10 am
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To Chad B. a 90/10 split is not supportive of out of state hunters. Regardless of what other states are doing. You keep talking about supply and demand. Last I checked there are tag limits and drawings. If wy. needs to cut tags, cut them, But dont charge a NR $550 for a deer tag while a R pays what? $42 bucks? Bottom line for me is I'm old and have hunted WY for years and will still hunt WY because I can afford it, but I know may young hunters who would love to come out with me but even if they can draw a tag, they cant afford it. We are turning this into a rich mans sport and will be ultimately the end of hunting as we currently know it. Dont believe me, ask the current field of presidential candidates where they stand on this.

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Steve T. - posted 4 days ago on 02-12-2020 06:39:44 am
Minneapolis, MN
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emails sent to all the senators, thanks Brady for that information and creating awareness on this issue!

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Chance M. - posted 4 days ago on 02-12-2020 06:30:07 am
Casper, Wy
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Allot of these numbers they are throwing out there contradict themselves

Max W. - posted 4 days ago on 02-12-2020 05:53:17 am
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There are many valid points of view here, but saying that WY should manage on a 90/10 split like some other states isn't really a good idea. It might be fine in some units, but in some units, if NR can only have 10%, harvest quotas won't be met and the place will be overrun. I'm looking at Antelope in the eastern part of the state. I doubt the Rs on their own can keep up with units that have 1,000 or more tags.

I read thru the bill, and it seems like they're trying to sell it as "budget neutral," and as far as WGFD is concerned, it might be. But what about those small towns with gas stations, hotels, game processors, restuaurants/bars, etc. Am I to believe that residents will spend the same money that NRs do when they come to hunt? Not possible. The economy will tank.

Chad B. - posted 4 days ago on 02-12-2020 05:52:01 am

Russ H, I've got more support for fellow hunters, new hunters, NR hunters in my state, and people just interested in getting involved with hunting than you could imagine. So okay, forget specifics and specific people and let's rephrase that... The internet is to blame. And yes, supply and demand is real and Wyoming is doing what any logical person would do with this much demand that we all have created with the rise of the internet. Stop defaulting to "we must support one another"... it's getting old. There's nothing about this that is unsupportive, it's just business plain and simple, were to blame, and yes I'm sad to see it happening too.

RUSS H. - posted 4 days ago on 02-12-2020 05:33:12 am
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Youtube and gohunt are to blame for to many hunters in Wy? No. NR and R had better find a way to support one another or we will all loose the right. Esp. on Federal ground.

Ken N. - posted 4 days ago on 02-12-2020 05:18:33 am

Looks like Wyoming is doing what every other state already has. Too much game playing with the preference point system by non residents. You guys know who you are and how you are doing it on the party system. Also, too much social media exposure by you knot heads. I feel that this site, as well as some others are just looking out for their bottom dollar as well. If non residents want an elk so bad, then why are there so many antlerless tags left over in draw areas? Can't make money on YouTube or the outdoor channel shooting a cow? The age of social media and everyone posting how to beat the point system is the real problem. Not the state of Wyoming.

Nathan F. - posted 4 days ago on 02-12-2020 05:06:14 am
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Chad B is right on. This had to happen and will continue to happen. Supply and demand. Too much demand, they cut supply, prices go up. Pretty simple.

Chad B. - posted 4 days ago on 02-12-2020 05:02:50 am

Oh please, so many angry people. Like another already said, just about every other state treats NR hunters worse than this. Montana allows 10% to NR too and when they doubled the price of their NR tags literally everyone said they would never sell them all and local economies and guides would suffer. Now at $1000 per elk it's more fricken popular to hunt in MT than ever for NR's. y'all just mad cause Wyoming hadn't caught up with the times yet and they finally realized it. Websites like gohunt and self absorbed hunters like Cam Hanes are the actual reasons why this is all happening. Too much popularity and way too much easy information. Wake up, you're to blame not Wyoming.

Nathan F. - posted 4 days ago on 02-12-2020 04:20:08 am
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But I do agree about the economy, if that tanks it might reset this a bit.

Nathan F. - posted 4 days ago on 02-12-2020 04:16:57 am
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Mark A, Wyoming is not mostly LE. They have many general units and offer 10,000 general elk tags to NRs. That is way too many. I hope that number gets capped too. And I am a NR.

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Kris S. - posted 4 days ago on 02-12-2020 03:22:49 am
Keizer, Oregon
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Thanks for the update on this damaging bill. I just wrote all 5 of senators. What a crock! Just another attack on us all and a money grab for the wealthy and a huge economic hit to all the businesses that survive from us non resident hunters. Be very careful resident hunters who support this bill. Do not be fooled.

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Phill G. - posted 4 days ago on 02-12-2020 02:27:22 am
Plainwell, Michigan
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If I was a Montana resident I'd be raging and to the Montana residents who are behind this bill, did you read lines 4 though 6 from Sy Gilliland? Every state has issues weather it be hunting pressure or tourism or vacationers or whatever you think you have the right to enjoy by yourself. Everyone deals with it, but losing up to 80% of your revenue is a big, big deal. Short term solution. So much for sportsmanship.

Eri H. - posted 4 days ago on 02-12-2020 02:16:35 am

Non-res from Minnesota
I've been hunting WY for quite a few years. I LOVE WYOMING and have felt like it's as much home -as home is. I have found just about everyone I've dealt with to be wonderful - to my face! Really, every hotel or AB&B, meat processing, and gas station. Every restuarant and coffee shop. I shop at Rocky Mountain Discount Sports and Lou Tauberts because I like giving to hometown businesses in stead of big box.
But just recently on another site, and now this string of posts, I've come to realize just how much disdain and downright venom the people of WY truly have for me. I thought they were good folk. Guess everyone in WY wants me to stay out of their state.
I'll have to see, looks like they'll get their wish........

Joseph O. - posted 4 days ago on 02-12-2020 01:29:36 am

Stupid pricks. After Wyoming jacked up their prices two years ago I said to heck with them. If they want to put idiots like Hicks in charge they won't see my money again.

Mark A. - posted 4 days ago on 02-12-2020 12:14:53 am
Lake Villa IL
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I wonder what will happen if the economy takes a hit after elections. How many unwelcome/unwanted non resident hunters will pay these inflated prices. Maybe that's why it wasn't crowded 6-7 years ago. How quickly we forget.

Mark A. - posted 4 days ago on 02-11-2020 11:11:23 pm
Lake Villa IL
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I don't like the argument that western states are being overrun by nonresident hunters. How is that possible when Wyoming, Arizona, Nevada, and New Mexico are mostly limited entry units. Blame whoever or whatever you want. The tag numbers aren't changing just the price in most cases for nonresidents. If general units are that overrun by non residents maybe states like Colorado should not sell unlimited amounts. This has nothing to do with the quality of the hunt or the well being of wildlife. Same story money.

dalan b. - posted 4 days ago on 02-11-2020 10:46:10 pm
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This isn't surprising people keep saying hunters are on the decline i couldn't disagree more. YouTube, Instagram and other hunting TV shows even Randy Newberg, glorify elk hunting so much we have a massive influx of people coming from the east coast to hunt out west. How many people go east to hunt? No one that I know. Their protecting their resources seems like every other state is doing the same thing. So guides will lose clients and have to get a real job now instead of letting guys shoot elk of private lands. I feel so bad for them...

Sam J. - posted 4 days ago on 02-11-2020 09:31:21 pm
Santa Rosa, CA
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Just wrote all 5 senators, to voice me and my family’s opinion. Hunting is a loss for the animals in Wyoming, this a loss for the non res hunter headed to Wyoming, this is a loss for the resident who’s own fish and game agency won’t be able to set harvest quotas.

jared a. - posted 4 days ago on 02-11-2020 08:19:27 pm
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Well if this goes through, would love to see my home state of Montana and other western states who aren’t opposed to non resident hunters shut down access for Wyoming residents and Idaho residents. If your state doesn’t want to play ball then don’t come to mine.

Marshall L. - posted 5 days ago on 02-11-2020 07:36:10 pm
Grand Junction, CO
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I did enjoy trying to draw NR tags, and I got lucky a few times, but the increased cost and constant dicking around by western states is making it more and more difficult (my state included). I understand what they are trying to do, and with that the burning of points will commence.

I feel for ya GoHunt because I don't expect this to increase your membership numbers. I'll likely drop my subscription after my paid year is used.

Good luck to those sticking in the game. Hunt hard and be thankful.

Nathan F. - posted 5 days ago on 02-11-2020 07:27:29 pm
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And all of you talking about a drop in hunter numbers need to look around next time you go hunting. Never had there been more people hunting. You all know it. Impossible to find a spot, impossible to draw a tag. More hunters than ever. WY has to do this, they are being overrun. They don’t want to be like Colorado. And then we have all the YouTube and internet stars pimping out elk hunting and making it even worse.

Nathan F. - posted 5 days ago on 02-11-2020 07:10:28 pm
goHUNT INSIDER

Surely you all must have seen this coming. Every western state is doing this and I don’t blame them. Too many hunters, too easy to apply, too much easy information from GoHunt and other sources. This was inevitable. The wildlife resources and public lands can only take so much pressure and we have hit the tipping point. Too many hunters.

SETH D. - posted 5 days ago on 02-11-2020 06:56:03 pm
Sunny New Mexico
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The reason people get upset with Wyoming, is because the state has been overly friendly to non-residents since the beginning of time.

55% of Wyoming is public land. Utah is 75.2% public land, Nevada is 87.8% public land, Idaho is 70.4% and Arizona is 56.8% and all of them treat nonresident hunters way worse than Wyoming ever has or is considering to as of this bill.

SETH D. - posted 5 days ago on 02-11-2020 06:47:12 pm
Sunny New Mexico
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New Mexico treats non-residents like they don't matter. So do the Dakotas, and Nevada.

Game is owned by the state, those that live in that state should be able to reap the rewards. This is a move in the right direction. I know many members of my family back home have a hard time getting decent tags for antelope. Wyoming Game and Fish's own over management of wildlife by adding so many trophy areas to make money have made this situation what it is.

Kudos Wyoming, Wyoming First!

Matt S. - posted 5 days ago on 02-11-2020 06:10:15 pm
goHUNT INSIDER

I’ve sent a message through the hotline and then sent all the above named individuals a message about how damaging this is even for us residents. We can’t afford to hurt our sport in any way given that hunter numbers are dwindling and the fear of losing public lands continues to come up. Issues like this must be stopped!

Michael C. - posted 5 days ago on 02-11-2020 06:06:03 pm
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Funny when folks get upset with a 90/10 split. Those that oppose, how fair is your home state to non residents? LOL. Wyoming has been extremely kind to non-residents on tag allocations.

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David P. - posted 5 days ago on 02-11-2020 05:45:23 pm
O'Fallon, IL
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Messages sent to all senators in case anyone is interested in using bits & pieces of it:
I’m writing you today to urge you to support wild game, game departments, and the communities who heavily rely on out of state hunters.  SF0094 removes the state biologists’ ability to control wildlife numbers as there are not enough big game hunters in the state to meet the harvest quotas.  Additionally, the game departments rely on the out of state fees to help run their departments.  Where will the stategenerate this much needed income from if the number of tags is so severely reduced? The country and hunting community is having serious problems with recruitment and retention and this only makes things worse.  Finally, out of state hunter provide hunting area communities with millions of dollars a year in incomes/sales as we travel into the areas. Both the Wyoming Outfitters& Guides Association and Wyoming Wildlife Federation are voicing their serious concern and are heavily against this measure. I pray you use logic to make this decision rather than politics.

Barry T. - posted 5 days ago on 02-11-2020 04:37:16 pm
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In some instances like Idaho, a reduction in available tags and increases in non-resident makes sense. We also had the lowest out of state costs in the nation, no point system, and a huge problem with populations due to predation. For Wyoming, not sure this will benefit anyone, not to mention the animals. Truth be told, states are struggling with predator populations and without hunters doing their part to help control those populations, opportunity for ungulates will decline. If you don’t hunt bear, lion or wolves, you’re part of the problem.

Arron J. - posted 5 days ago on 02-11-2020 04:27:40 pm
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Keep pluckin that goose Wyoming.

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Chance M. - posted 5 days ago on 02-11-2020 04:27:25 pm
Casper, Wy
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So now non residents want to support the outfitters and fight this bill but will turn around and bad mouth them because they are the reason they cant hunt wilderness areas in wyoming. What a conundrum

Max W. - posted 5 days ago on 02-11-2020 04:20:30 pm
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Could be Rob Shaul at Mt Tactical/Military Athlete.

From an article on a nonprofit he formed “We want to represent the subsistence-based resident hunter.”

For what’s its worth, I used to be a customer of his, and when I read that article several months back, I let him know of my displeasure and I’m no longer giving him any of my monies.

SETH D. - posted 5 days ago on 02-11-2020 03:23:52 pm
Sunny New Mexico
goHUNT INSIDER

I live in New Mexico, but Alaska, Nevada, and New Mexico all have programs similar to this. It is in line as someone else said below with what other western states are doing.

If you lived in Wyoming and paid taxes there then this would help you. If you did not, and you are a Wyoming casual visitor for a week a year it might not make you so happy.

Consider moving to Wyoming and making a go of it. Wyoming first!

SETH D. - posted 5 days ago on 02-11-2020 03:20:27 pm
Sunny New Mexico
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I am not a Wyoming resident anymore, I wish I was I would support this.

I just burned 5 points on a cow elk tag, and I am going to burn my 7 antelope points and 5 deer points this summer. I gave up on sheep points earlier this year. But I would consider buying them in 2020 if this went through. We eventually want to move back to Wyoming this would make it worth it.

Mark A. - posted 5 days ago on 02-11-2020 03:13:57 pm
Lake Villa IL
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I would love to see every nonresident withdraw there applications. I know it will never happen but I would love to hear all the complaining when the money had to come from in house sources. I can tell you one thing that is happening. The group I hunt with has about had it with Wyoming changing continuously. They should have thought things out better when they increased prices a few years ago. Now they need to make money by holding my money for 5 months. Wait let's change it again next year.

Garrison K. - posted 5 days ago on 02-11-2020 03:02:51 pm
goHUNT INSIDER

Just hit all 5 of those senators with a quick email expressing disapproval. Took all of about 7 minutes. Anyone caring enough to read the comments on here should care enough to do the same. Thanks for including those email addresses @Brady

Jimmy D. - posted 5 days ago on 02-11-2020 02:59:09 pm
goHUNT INSIDER

Could this have something to do with the number of non res applications they received this year after the 2020 changes?

Brady J. Miller
Brady M. - posted 5 days ago on 02-11-2020 02:30:35 pm
Las Vegas, NV
goHUNT Team

@Scott - you are very, very welcome!

Scott H. - posted 5 days ago on 02-11-2020 02:16:37 pm
goHUNT INSIDER

@ Brady M. Thank your for informing us all and keeping on top of this very important development.

Pat F. - posted 5 days ago on 02-11-2020 01:40:32 pm
goHUNT INSIDER

I think a reevaluation on restricting non-resident hunters needs to be implanted that takes into consideration the amount of federal public land in the state, and the percentage of the big game population in that state that depends on federal land habitat for survival. Many of the western states contain a huge amount of federal public land that all citizens in the U.S. provide tax money to manage that land and provides habitat for the states big game herds. A formula should be devised that takes the percentage of federal public land into account, and I guarantee non-residents would get considerably more than 10% of the tags. Many of these states rely on nonresidents to fund their big game management programs, that could soon change. Also, the guide-outfitter quota should not come from the non-resident allocation.

Chris D. - posted 5 days ago on 02-11-2020 01:34:21 pm
Cleveland, OH
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I had already realized years ago that, living in the East, hunting sheep is just out of reach for me (married, so it's not just about tightening the belt). Unfortunately, the pace of tag price increases and allocation cuts all across the West suggests I may need to get in under the wire or consign elk to that fate before too long. Hell, antelope at $425? Didn't non-residents JUST have a 14% price increase in 2018? What will the prices look like in 5 years?

Mike S. - posted 5 days ago on 02-11-2020 01:26:01 pm
goHUNT INSIDER

I'm a nonresident for Wyoming. I have hunted Wyoming three times. Most of the residents are super helpful and very nice. I have had one run-in with a grumpy landowner, overall a very non-resident friendly state. The game and fish is one of the best and always courteous and incredibly helpful.

Now residents should always have better draw odds then non-residents IMO.
I would say the amount of resident OTC general elk tags and deer tags do just that for those species but when you look at the limited hunts there seems to be where the problem is.

Limited hunts are plagued by point creep and in some cases, non-residents do have better draw odds. They should address certain species and the LQ hunts not all of them IMO.

However, the changes in holding money, price increases, and available tags will change my behaviour and Wyoming will be off my list for ELK and Deer once I burn those points. Antelope ill probably keep trying but Montana is looking better.

Earl G. - posted 5 days ago on 02-11-2020 01:24:07 pm
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It makes it hard to even plan long term point acquisition and hunting trips when various states keep changing the rules, why should I continue to invest money into getting points if there is a good chance the state is just going to pull the rug out from under me before I have a chance to draw a good tag?

I have hunted big game 30+ days a year the past few years in various western states, a huge amount of time and money has been invested in these states from me alone. With the ever rising cost and unpredictability I have been seriously considering getting a good pointer dog instead and just bird hunting.

Jeff M. - posted 5 days ago on 02-11-2020 01:14:13 pm
goHUNT INSIDER

I'll stop applying for WY since I can barely afford it anyway. No big deal, I'll give my money to another state. See ya, hope you miss me $$$$

Brady J. Miller
Brady M. - posted 5 days ago on 02-11-2020 12:55:11 pm
Las Vegas, NV
goHUNT Team

@Scott - We have heard Senator Hicks and a Wyoming resident hunter in Jackson are behind this bill. I have been on the phone with several members of the Wyoming Outfitters and Guides Association this morning and we even got emails from them stating they are very, very opposed to this and they were never consulted about this bill or the 30% allocation.

I have some direct quotes coming from them and will be adding more information as I receive it.

Scott H. - posted 5 days ago on 02-11-2020 12:35:56 pm
goHUNT INSIDER

So if the WOGA is also strongly opposed to this then who exactly is pushing this legislation?
Im certain with just a little bit of financial modeling it will be apparent that this would actually lose WY money in NR tags/fees as well as out of state hunters expenditures while visiting the state. In a low population state like Wyoming I just dont see the need for “tag protectionism”.

Jim S. - posted 5 days ago on 02-11-2020 12:14:40 pm

I'll remove Wyoming from my list of targeted hunting states but I'll need to burn my points first.

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Chance M. - posted 5 days ago on 02-11-2020 12:11:21 pm
Casper, Wy
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It's pretty well in line with most other states

dan k. - posted 5 days ago on 02-11-2020 12:04:00 pm
goHUNT INSIDER

if this passes,,guess ill spend my n r money elsewhere where im welcome.i cant believe a proposal like this has even been proposed

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Joseph E. - posted 5 days ago on 02-11-2020 11:53:14 am
kell illinois
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It’s all about putting more money in guides pockets. They already have wilderness tied up and now they want every nonresident to be forced to use there services if they want to hunt the state more than 2 times in there lifetime

Bryan M. - posted 5 days ago on 02-11-2020 11:47:09 am

So basically you're saying if this passes we should burn all of our points this year since we'll likely never draw again?

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Jarrett H. - posted 5 days ago on 02-11-2020 11:42:07 am
goHUNT INSIDER

Well...there goes those preference points. Once again WY shows they have no concern for the hunter.

Gregg R. - posted 5 days ago on 02-11-2020 11:29:40 am
goHUNT INSIDER

Wyoming has been a great place to get my kids an affordable opportunity to hunt. Not always a guaranteed tag but decent odds in many units. I also know that other businesses (hotels, restaurants, sports, convenience and grocery stores) profit from the NR hunter which this bill could greatly hamper. I'm sure there are residents that get frustrated with NR hunters but it seems this bill would all but close the door for NR. As a result, I could see resident fees increasing in the future due to total loss of revenue. Time will tell if the passing of the bill is successful. Hunters want an affordable option to enjoy their life and passion but politicians seem to find ways of pouring water on the fire.

Nicholas K. - posted 5 days ago on 02-11-2020 11:24:14 am
goHUNT INSIDER

I am disgusted with the proposed changes to the WY draw structure. Luckily I should still be ahead of the curve for a General Elk tag and will likely cash in on it instead of waiting for the already resident dominated Limited Entry permit I had been saving for. I cannot see continuing to play their games after I cash in.

Matt S. - posted 5 days ago on 02-11-2020 11:13:00 am
goHUNT INSIDER

Changes like these seem to be more and more common these days with South Dakota, Idaho, Colorado, and now Wyoming looking to change non-resident opportunities. I can sympathize with residents in these states as there seems to be more interest coming from non-residents than in previous years. I think it is a slippery slope in the long run though. If it becomes difficult to get tags in other states they are losing a lot of people who will help advocate for them when push comes to shove. This would give people from out of state very little reason to help advocate for public lands or other issues (predators or hunting bans) that come up from time to time. It also gives me a lot of concern for the future. With less tags and higher costs it will limit participation to those who can afford it. I think for new and young hunters there is going to be little incentive to put into draws that continue to get more difficult and cost more.

Matt S. - posted 5 days ago on 02-11-2020 11:13:00 am
goHUNT INSIDER

Changes like these seem to be more and more common these days with South Dakota, Idaho, Colorado, and now Wyoming looking to change non-resident opportunities. I can sympathize with residents in these states as there seems to be more interest coming from non-residents than in previous years. I think it is a slippery slope in the long run though. If it becomes difficult to get tags in other states they are losing a lot of people who will help advocate for them when push comes to shove. This would give people from out of state very little reason to help advocate for public lands or other issues (predators or hunting bans) that come up from time to time. It also gives me a lot of concern for the future. With less tags and higher costs it will limit participation to those who can afford it. I think for new and young hunters there is going to be little incentive to put into draws that continue to get more difficult and cost more.

Matt S. - posted 5 days ago on 02-11-2020 11:11:11 am
goHUNT INSIDER

As a resident I still want you guys here to hunt regardless of how many less big trophies there are for me. I never do well anyway LOL!! We need people to visit, spend their money and tell everyone how great this place is. Nothing hurts more then crap like this!!

Patrick J K. - posted 5 days ago on 02-11-2020 11:06:44 am

I think this is great.. It is about time that the state looks after it's own first. Non residents should never have a better chance to draw over a resident

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Scotty M. - posted 5 days ago on 02-11-2020 11:04:26 am
Rowlett, TX
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This is really disappointing news. After 6 years in the military and seven years in college, and many years struggling to raise young children, I'm finally reaching a point where I can afford to hunt out of state. I'll be 40 this year. I already have a narrow window where I'll have both the physical and financial ability to do the things I've always dreamed of doing. However, it seems that opportunities are getting more and more difficult to find each year. I'm too old to build points. I just want to hunt. I tried Colorado last year, and it's really hard to justify spending the money to hunt OTC there when it's so overcrowded and harvest rates are abysmal. I had settled on the Wyoming General tag as my plan. I should draw a tag this year, and I hoped to hunt it 3-4 more times before I get too old to do so. It seems even this could become more unattainable.

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Ryan M. - posted 5 days ago on 02-11-2020 11:02:52 am
Littleton, Colorado
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I can't imagine this bill has much chance of getting passed. I don't see that it's with a specific committee yet...when it is, I'll be emailing the legislators on that committee. I'd encourage anyone else to do the same. If this thing somehow passes, there will be a run on the bank to burn points and get out.

harold s. - posted 5 days ago on 02-11-2020 11:01:05 am
goHUNT INSIDER

I chose not to enter the elk draw this year due to the long wait for draw results. I'm not a wealthy individual and I really needed to have those draw results sooner so that I could use that refund for other states. If this bill passes and they keep the same lottery date for upcoming years, I don't see how I could afford to apply in Wyoming. I guess Ill just keep driving north to Montana, they are happy to have my business. It's sad, resident or not, that is our public land. Hoping they lose revenue and go back to a earlier draw date.

Paul H. - posted 5 days ago on 02-11-2020 10:53:47 am
goHUNT INSIDER

What is the deal with states wanting to cut NR license numbers all of the sudden?! Do they not realize that NR license sales are where the department get a huge majority of their funding and the state as a whole makes BILLIONS of dollars off the tourism/taxes from hotels, restaurants, fuel sales, shopping, and everything else that comes with out of staters coming and needing a place to stay while hunting?

Nic S. - posted 5 days ago on 02-11-2020 10:48:05 am
Oro Valley, AZ
goHUNT INSIDER

My prediction is, 1. state revenues over-all will drop, 2. costs will increase from out of control populations, 3. food supplies will go down, 4. animals will suffer... who wins here? They are dropping a dime to pick up a nickel. This Bill is surprising coming from an alleged Republican from Carbon County.

Stephen H. - posted 5 days ago on 02-11-2020 10:42:47 am

I love how I just paid 1300 bucks for my wyoming elk application, they hold onto my money until May, and I have less than a 30% chance to draw. Not to mention I can hike and camp all I want in the wilderness but can’t hunt for whatever reason. Meanwhile a resident can drive to Walmart and pick up the same tag for 57$ and hunt the same day. I bet this whole thing gets shot down because the non resident tags keep the resident tag costs down and pump a ton of money in the local economy.

chris j. - posted 5 days ago on 02-11-2020 10:40:14 am
goHUNT INSIDER

as a non-resident i'm not a fan of this proposed bill. On the smaller scale it's additional money, but the larger problem (to me anyways) is the idea that as hunters we are seeing decline in the number of youth who are joining our numbers and then to make it even more difficult to get these opportunities to take the them with us on the adventures seems pretty counter-productive.

Andrew T. - posted 5 days ago on 02-11-2020 10:39:29 am
goHUNT INSIDER

Would think this could change the behavior of applicants this year and people may burn points this year that weren't planning on it, in fear of rising prices and dropping opportunities in the future

Josh F. - posted 5 days ago on 02-11-2020 10:35:18 am
Salt Lake City, UT
goHUNT INSIDER

This would be a major blow on the state's economy due to the amount of revenue out of state hunters provide...WY already has the lowest population in the country. They should re-think the effects...

William B. - posted 5 days ago on 02-11-2020 10:33:46 am
goHUNT INSIDER

Short sided benefits will equate to lost tax revenue and harm to vacation rentals, hotels, restaurants, gas stations, stores etc. Out of state hunters spend lots of money outside of license fees.

Ben K. - posted 5 days ago on 02-11-2020 10:27:41 am
goHUNT INSIDER

Out of state hunters fund 50-60 percent of a lot of these elk states conservation. They may want to be careful. I’m sure the residents don’t want to cover these costs.

Brandon O. - posted 5 days ago on 02-11-2020 10:21:45 am

Guess I’ll spend my money elsewhere which is sad no wonder hunting numbers are decreasing at this rate their will nobody hunting in the future

Brian M. - posted 5 days ago on 02-11-2020 10:13:22 am
Elgin, Oregon
goHUNT INSIDER

Obviously frustrating, if this passes. The last few years, Wyoming has made changes that screw the non-resident hunter over. I think their forgetting that non-resident hunters are a huge funding source for their agency. At some point, the only option will be that resident prices will need to jump up dramatically, then maybe more voices will be unhappy.

Austin W. - posted 5 days ago on 02-11-2020 10:06:35 am
Chubbuck, Idaho
goHUNT INSIDER

As an Idaho resident who just saw Idaho do the same thing, it’s frustrating. I also apply in multiple states and this new mindset will hurt interest in hunting and protection for our public lands. Funds will dip as well as youth participation.